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		<title>Taxation, Destruction, and Discouragement:  &#8220;North Carolina Tax Fairness Act&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://newrevenue.org/2013/05/17/taxation-destruction-and-discouragement-north-carolina-tax-fairness-act/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 01:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The power to tax is the power to destroy, or at least discourage.   As an advocate of higher, indexed taxes on alcohol, I don&#8217;t get North Carolina Senate President Pro Tempore Phil Berger&#8217;s &#8220;North Carolina Tax Fairness Act&#8221; proposal to impose sales or services taxes on prescription drugs and doctors&#8217; fees. Some of the Locke [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=newrevenue.org&#038;blog=16100763&#038;post=1873&#038;subd=newtax&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The power to tax is the power to destroy, or at least discourage.   As an advocate of higher, indexed taxes on alcohol, I don&#8217;t get North Carolina Senate President Pro Tempore Phil Berger&#8217;s &#8220;North Carolina Tax Fairness Act&#8221; proposal to impose sales or services taxes on prescription drugs and doctors&#8217; fees.</p>
<p>Some of the Locke Foundation group would tax alcohol like milk, and tax doctors like tattoo artists.  Seriously.  Look at  Roy Cordato, <em>Sales taxes and free choices, </em>(May 25, 2010), <a href="http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/05/25/v-print/498695/sales-taxes-and-free-choices.html.%C2%A0" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/05/25/v-print/498695/sales-taxes-and-free-choices.html. </a></p>
<p>I understand that folks distrust government, and I don&#8217;t blame them.  Distrusting government was at the top of the Founders&#8217; agenda.  And once government starts picking winners and losers, it can get carried away.  But to insist on neutrality &#8212; to oppose having government make <em>any</em> distinctions &#8212; is to throw out the baby with the bath water.  Taxing medicine and doctors&#8217; visits takes the principle of neutrality to an extreme.  I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;ll make that happen.</p>
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		<title>A secret plan to change our taxes &#8212; North Carolina Tax Fairness Act</title>
		<link>http://newrevenue.org/2013/05/13/a-secret-plan-to-change-our-taxes-north-carolina-tax-fairness-act/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 20:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[North Carolina Senate President Pro Tempore Phil Berger floated a notional &#8220;North Carolina Tax Fairness Act&#8221; last week.  Its provisions are unclear.  It would impose sales taxes on prescription drugs and even reportedly services taxes on doctor&#8217;s fees, but it remains a mystery.  I  tried to get the specifics last week via phone and email (http://nctaxcut.com/q-and-a/), [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=newrevenue.org&#038;blog=16100763&#038;post=1869&#038;subd=newtax&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>North Carolina Senate President Pro Tempore Phil Berger floated a notional &#8220;North Carolina Tax Fairness Act&#8221; last week.  Its provisions are unclear.  It would impose sales taxes on prescription drugs and even reportedly services taxes on doctor&#8217;s fees, but it remains a mystery.  I  tried to get the specifics last week via phone and email (<a href="http://nctaxcut.com/q-and-a/" rel="nofollow">http://nctaxcut.com/q-and-a/</a>), but have received no reply.  If you find the plan, I&#8217;d appreciate knowing about it:   <a href="mailto:po@newrevenue.org">po@newrevenue.org</a>.</p>
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		<title>NC Bar Presentation May 9, 2013: Marijuana Revenue</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2013 12:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oglesby slides final for NCBA May 9, 2013 sent in:  A big file, with lots of images.<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=newrevenue.org&#038;blog=16100763&#038;post=1864&#038;subd=newtax&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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		<title>Orwellian Doublespeak from multinationals</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2013 18:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“The Home Court Advantage” is the label U.S.-based multinationals associated with the Business Roundtable want to apply to their territorial tax proposal.  The problem is that the territoriality they propose gives tax preference to their foreign investments. That’s how territoriality works:  we would tax their American income and not tax their foreign income.  Yes, they [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=newrevenue.org&#038;blog=16100763&#038;post=1851&#038;subd=newtax&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The Home Court Advantage” is the label U.S.-based multinationals associated with the Business Roundtable want to apply to their territorial tax proposal.  The problem is that the territoriality they propose gives tax preference to their foreign investments. That’s how territoriality works:  we would tax their American income and not tax their foreign income.  Yes, they would give home investments a <i>dis</i>advantage while wrapping themselves in the flag.</p>
<p>What’s their defense for twisting words this way?  <span id="more-1851"></span>That they are now free to move their “tax home” offshore, they say, so they can pay even less tax.  That is, we must give them an advantage to stay at home because they are Benedict Arnold corporations, ready to desert their country if we don’t bend to their will.  And who’s to say we won’t?  We have let the multinationals shift income to tax havens with impunity for decades.  And we’ve been loosening the rules all along.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the story:  &#8221;Last month, the Business Roundtable, which represents mostly big businesses, started a separate lobbying campaign, called Home Court Advantage, to adopt a territorial tax system as well as a lower rate.&#8221;  http://www.cnbc.com/id/100705734/page/2</p>
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		<title>How did the Roth IRA get its name?</title>
		<link>http://newrevenue.org/2013/05/02/how-did-the-roth-ira-get-its-name/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 May 2013 01:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ The easy answer is this:  “The Roth IRA is named after Senator William Roth, chairman of the Senate Finance Committee and an advocate of Individual Retirement Arrangements.” But Senator Roth did not name his plan to allow current taxation and future deferral after himself.  That would have been bad form by any standard.  When he [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=newrevenue.org&#038;blog=16100763&#038;post=1847&#038;subd=newtax&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b> </b>The easy answer is this:  “The <a href="http://www.chacha.com/topic/roth-ira">Roth IRA</a> is named after Senator William Roth, chairman of the Senate Finance Committee and an advocate of Individual Retirement Arrangements.”</p>
<p>But Senator Roth did not name his plan to allow current taxation and future deferral after himself.  That would have been bad form by any standard.  When he first introduced his plan, at some point between 1988 and 1990 inclusive, he called it the IRA PLUS.  Since the plan deferred revenue losses into later “out” years, my boss Senator Bentsen, opposing the plan, said PLUS stood for “Pay Later Uncle Sam.”  (That was Tax Notes quote of the week.)</p>
<p>In 1997, when the plan was enacted, somehow (I wasn’t around DC then) it acquired the name Roth IRA.  Senator Roth had no doubt been pushing it hard for years.  But he was not so self-congratulatory (or naïve) to name it after himself ever.</p>
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		<title>Bifurcating the tax base for marijuana:  Weight and potency</title>
		<link>http://newrevenue.org/2013/05/01/bifurcating-the-tax-base-for-marijuana/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 18:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m getting closer to concluding that smokable marijuana should be taxed by weight, and edibles by potency of the processed material in them.  Asking around, I got this confirmation from someone who knows lots more than I do: 1.  Is it true that wax or BHO is fungible enough to tax by potency?  That is, will [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=newrevenue.org&#038;blog=16100763&#038;post=1842&#038;subd=newtax&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m getting closer to concluding that smokable marijuana should be taxed by weight, and edibles by potency of the processed material in them.  Asking around, I got this confirmation from someone who knows lots more than I do:</p>
<div id="yui_3_7_2_1_1367433500279_4405">1.  Is it true that wax or BHO is fungible enough to tax by potency?  That is, will every sample test out the same for THC?</div>
<div id="yui_3_7_2_1_1367433500279_4406">A:  Yes, it is fungible enough.  Although genetics vary in potency.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_7_2_1_1367433500279_4413">2.  Of all edibles produced, how much uses cannabis (1) in liquid or wax form as opposed to (2) granulated or ground solids?</div>
<div>A: Not sure if anyone knows.  But edibles that are best when made with extracted forms of THC.  If someone is putting in plant matter in their product, they won&#8217;t last long.</div>
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		<title>Center for Sensible Revenue</title>
		<link>http://newrevenue.org/2013/04/30/center-for-sensible-revenue/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve formed a new North Carolina nonprofit, the Center for Sensible Revenue.  Some allies like the name better than Center for New Revenue.  Heck, I started out with the label New Taxes, so I&#8217;m moving toward the mainstream.  Still keeping http://www.newrevenue.org. &#160;<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=newrevenue.org&#038;blog=16100763&#038;post=1840&#038;subd=newtax&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve formed a new North Carolina nonprofit, the Center for Sensible Revenue.  Some allies like the name better than Center for New Revenue.  Heck, I started out with the label New Taxes, so I&#8217;m moving toward the mainstream.  Still keeping <a href="http://www.newrevenue.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.newrevenue.org</a>.</p>
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		<title>Maine bill gets indexing right</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Representative Diane Russell&#8217;s marijuana legalization bill in Maine would impose a $50 per ounce tax &#8212; and unlike so many others, includes indexing for inflation. http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/bills/bills_126th/billtexts/HP086801.asp &#160; .<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=newrevenue.org&#038;blog=16100763&#038;post=1838&#038;subd=newtax&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Representative Diane Russell&#8217;s marijuana legalization bill in Maine would impose a $50 per ounce tax &#8212; and unlike so many others, includes indexing for inflation.<span id="more-1838"></span></p>
<p><a href="http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/bills/bills_126th/billtexts/HP086801.asp">http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/bills/bills_126th/billtexts/HP086801.asp</a></p>
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		<title>Encouraging marijuana advertising:  Colorado House Bill 13-1042</title>
		<link>http://newrevenue.org/2013/04/23/encouraging-marijuana-advertising-colorado-house-bill-13-1042/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2013 20:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wherever marijuana is legal, it will be taxed.  Federal Code section 280E is broad, but it has the salutary effect of denying tax deductions for advertising.  (Whatever your view of legalization, public policy ought to discourage advertising for marijuana as it does for lotteries, alcohol, and tobacco.)  Colorado income tax law tracks federal law, so [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=newrevenue.org&#038;blog=16100763&#038;post=1831&#038;subd=newtax&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wherever marijuana is legal, it will be taxed.  Federal Code section 280E is broad, but it has the salutary effect of denying tax deductions for advertising.  (Whatever your view of legalization, public policy ought to discourage advertising for marijuana as it does for lotteries, alcohol, and tobacco.)  Colorado income tax law tracks federal law, so Colorado ganjapreneurs can&#8217;t deduct advertising expenses on their state returns, either. So far.  A bill in the Colorado House would change that.<span id="more-1831"></span> It&#8217;s at http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2013a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/D12657F864EC4B2F87257AEE0058844F?Open&amp;file=1042_01.pdf.</p>
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		<title>Tax marijuana: raw by weight, processed by potency?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are two kinds of commercial marijuana:  raw, and processed.  Processed is more powerful.  We can tax the raw stuff like beer, and the processed stuff like liquor. That is, the base of a marijuana tax would be weight for raw &#8212; smokable product; and potency for brownies, tinctures, and everything else – potency by [&#8230;]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=newrevenue.org&#038;blog=16100763&#038;post=1828&#038;subd=newtax&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two kinds of commercial marijuana:  raw, and processed.  Processed is more powerful.  We can tax the raw stuff like beer, and the processed stuff like liquor.</p>
<p>That is, the base of a marijuana tax would be weight for raw &#8212; smokable product; and potency for brownies, tinctures, and everything else – potency by THC content, maybe with a CBD factor – and maybe further refinements as we learn more.</p>
<p>A pure percentage tax like ALL MARIJUANA TAXES SO FAR makes me nervous.  The reason is that NO OTHER “SIN” TAX works off pure percentage of price so far as I know.  <span id="more-1828"></span>Probably I’m missing some jurisdiction somewhere.</p>
<p>There are some hybrids, like European cigarette taxes, which use weight and price (and then, by the way, add Value Added Tax): <a href="http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/resources/documents/taxation/excise_duties/tobacco_products/rates/excise_duties-part_iii_tobacco_en.pdf">http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/resources/documents/taxation/excise_duties/tobacco_products/rates/excise_duties-part_iii_tobacco_en.pdf</a>.  And there’s the tax on liquor in the Philippines:  “Come Jan. 1, 2015, the specific tax will be P20 per proof liter plus 20 percent of net retail price.”  <a href="http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/327633/2-laws-2-gifts-for-filipinos">http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/327633/2-laws-2-gifts-for-filipinos</a>.  A weight and price hybrid is the most bulletproof approach, but for the marijuana community to suggest it would be like a boxer leading with his chin.</p>
<p>So why is it that every taxing jurisdiction uses weight or potency?  Even if I didn’t have a clue, I’d be nervous, on the theory that if I don’t know why, there’s a reason I don’t know about.</p>
<p>But I have a clue.</p>
<p>Maybe no jurisdiction uses price only because price is trickable or arguable or dicsussable, but weight isn’t.  Intercompany pricing is the reason our international tax system is a joke:  if there is vertical integration, we don’t know, really, how much the retailing part of the company “paid” to the growing part for the product.  The Blumenauer bill, <a id="yui_3_7_2_1_1366725246142_4210" href="http://beta.congress.gov/113/bills/hr501/113hr501ih.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://beta.congress.gov/113/bills/hr501/113hr501ih.pdf</a>, goes on and on about figuring what price actually is.  Good luck with that.</p>
<p>But the problem goes deeper.  WHENEVER a company offers multiple products that are taxed at different rates, there’s opportunity for mischief.  At a bar, if drinks are taxed, and a cover charge isn’t, lo and behold, drinks would get cheap, and the cover charge would go up.  (With a volume- (weight-) or proof-based tax, of the kind that <b>every</b> jurisdiction uses, the drinks are already taxed, so no problem.  There’s no gimmicking today.)  The entrepreneurial spirit will come up with a way to get around a percentage tax –that’s my worry from a tax authority’s perspective.</p>
<p>And companies – retailers at least &#8212; will have an incentive to offer multiple products and services, thanks to 280E, that allows deductions for federal income tax purposes for non-marijuana expenses.</p>
<p>Another thought I’m about to develop: wax or BHO is fungible enough to tax by potency.  <a href="http://newrevenue.org/2013/03/22/tax-marijuana-by-potency-in-one-case-maybe/">http://newrevenue.org/2013/03/22/tax-marijuana-by-potency-in-one-case-maybe/</a>  (Right?)</p>
<p><b>Conclusion</b>:   If we (meaning the public at large) want to tax potency as the measure of intoxication, price is a better proxy than weight.  (Is that right?  Do prices REALLY depend on measured THC content?  If not, then weight is just as good as price.)</p>
<p>But weight is a lot simpler.  No gimmicks.  And there’s the argument that high potency smokable product is better, since it introduces fewer potentially bad byproducts into the lungs, and since users measure their intoxication &#8212; titrate.</p>
<p>Maybe a way to consider is a two track system:</p>
<p>1.  Smokeable: <b>&#8220;Useable marijuana&#8221; means dried marijuana flowers.</b></p>
<p><b>The term &#8220;useable marijuana&#8221; does not include marijuana-infused</b></p>
<p><b>products. (WA statute):  </b>Use weight.</p>
<p>2.  Other <b>&#8220;Marijuana-infused products&#8221; means products that contain</b></p>
<p><b>marijuana or marijuana extracts and are intended for human use. The</b></p>
<p><b>term &#8220;marijuana-infused products&#8221; does not include useable marijuana. (WA statute):  </b>Tax on the basis of the potency of the extract put into the product.  That avoids the problem of an inappropriately high tax on residue which is heavy but impotent, so the residue that gets put into sodas and cookies is taxed ONLY on measured THC content (since the marijuana is liquefied before incorporation).  That approach avoids conflating the value of the cookie with the value of the intoxicant.</p>
<p>Not sure I have all the facts about how growing and the industry operate. . . .</p>
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