Sure, a state marijuana monopoly would be federally illegal. I used to think it would be bulletproof as a practical matter, in light of Louisiana’s experiment. But President Trump might pick on states that he disfavors, as he does with California localities and ICE. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ar-AA1GMkuT
Louisiana’s two land grant state universities had a state monopoly to produce medical marijuana for years before private industry shoved them aside. Here’s a photo from the HBCU, whose inclusion in legislation may have helped with social equity concerns:
In a 2013 North Carolina poll, state marijuana sales beat private sales by 3-to-1. The full poll with cross-tabs is at https://newrevenue.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/nc-marijuana-polling-march-2013.pdf. Not only do monopolies work best for public health, avoid all kinds of litigation by disappointed license applicants, maximize public revenue, and allow nimble pricing (unburdened by inflexible taxes) to compete with the illicit market; as our Stanford friend Keith Humphreys says, in light of the poor track record of social equity licensing, “In general retail monopolies (that’s where the industry still produces the product; the state sells it) have a better record of hiring diverse employees than do private companies.”
President Trump might leave state marijuana sales in Red-State New Hampshire alone, but he might pick on North Carolina, with our Democratic Governor. It’s about how much risk a state wants to face.
“Pat Oglesby Appointed to Marijuana Legalization Commission
“The governor of NC, Josh Stein, has come out in favor of marijuana legalization and formed a commission, on which my co-teacher, Pat Oglesby, has been tapped to serve, to study the issue and make recommendations.
“This is an outstanding choice! Pat knows more about marijuana legalization, taxation, licensing, and related issues than anyone I know. We co-taught a course, Cannabis Legalization, at UVA Law that was a huge success, due to Pat’s knowledge and connections to industry experts, regulators, and researchers (and to our excellent students, of course).
“The official press release is here, which includes the full list of commission appointees.”
Governor Stein Announces State Advisory Council to Bring Order to Cannabis MarketKids Need Protection
RALEIGH, NC
(RALEIGH) Today Governor Josh Stein released the following statement on the need to protect young people by bringing order to the unregulated cannabis market:
“Today all across North Carolina, there are unregulated intoxicating THC products available for purchase: just walk into any vape shop. There is no legal minimum age to purchase these products! That means that kids are buying them. Without any enforceable labeling requirements, adults are using them recreationally without knowing what is in them or how much THC there is. Our state’s unregulated cannabis market is the wild west and is crying for order. Let’s get this right and create a safe, legal market for adults that protects kids.
“That is why I am announcing a State Advisory Council on Cannabis. I am charging this group with studying and recommending a comprehensive approach to regulate cannabis sales. They will study best practices and learn from other states to develop a system that protects youth, allows adult sales, ensures public safety, promotes public health, supports North Carolina agriculture, expunges past convictions of simple THC possession, and invests the revenues in resources for addiction, mental health, and drugged driving detection.
“I want to thank members of the General Assembly for their interest in addressing this gaping loophole in state law. Let’s work together on a thoughtful, comprehensive solution that allows sales to adults and that is grounded in public safety and health. We can work together and get this right.”
Governor Stein signed the Executive Order creating the Council on Tuesday morning. The Council will include representatives from the Office of State Budget and Management, the State Highway Patrol, the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians, the General Assembly, and the Departments of Health and Human Services, Public Safety, Revenue, Transportation, and Justice.
Hemp and marijuana are both types of cannabis. The difference used to be how much THC was in the plant. Today, due to the cannabis industry’s unchecked and creative product development and packaging, the terms “hemp” and “marijuana” have lost their traditional meanings and are essentially the same thing. They both contain intoxicating levels of THC. As a result, anyone, no matter their age, can legally buy cannabis products in vape shops with high concentrations of intoxicating THC here in North Carolina. The status quo of zero protection of our kids is absolutely unacceptable. That’s why the work of this Advisory Council to recommend a regulatory structure for cannabis sales is important and urgent.
In the meantime, at a minimum, the General Assembly should prohibit the sales of products that contain intoxicating THC to anyone under 21 by requiring photo ID age-verification and require packaging that lets adults know what is actually in cannabis products, including the amount of THC.
Co-chairs
Lawrence H. Greenblatt, MD, State Health Director & Chief Medical Officer, North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services
Matt Scott, District Attorney, Prosecutorial District 20 (Robeson County)
Members
David W. Alexander, Owner and President, Home Run Markets, LLC
Arthur E. Apolinario, MD, MPH, FAAFP, 2002-2023 Past President, North Carolina Medical Society; Family Physician, Clinton Medical Clinic
Joshua C. Batten, Assistant Director for Special Services, Alcohol Law Enforcement Division, North Carolina Department of Public Safety
Representative John R. Bell, North Carolina House of Representatives, District 10
Carrie L. Brown, MD, MPH, DFAPA, Chief Psychiatrist, North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services
Mark M. Ezzell, Director, North Carolina Governor’s Highway Safety Program, North Carolina Department of Transportation
Anca E. Grozav, Chief Deputy Director, North Carolina Office of State Budget and Management
Representative Zack A. Hawkins, North Carolina House of Representatives, District 31
Colonel Freddy L. Johnson, Jr., Commander, North Carolina State Highway Patrol
Michael Lamb, Police Chief, City of Asheville Police Department
Peter H. Ledford, Deputy Secretary for Policy, North Carolina Department of Environmental Quality
Kimberly McDonald, MD, MPH, Chronic Disease and Injury Section Chief, Division of Public Health, North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services
Patrick Oglesby, Attorney and Founder, Center for New Revenue
Forrest G. Parker, CEO / General Manager, Qualla Enterprises LLC / Great Smoky Cannabis Company
Senator Bill P. Rabon, North Carolina Senate, District 8
Lillie L. Rhodes, Legislative Counsel, Administrative Office of the Courts
Gary H. Sikes, Owner, Bountiful Harvest Farm and Partner, Legacy Fiber Technologies
Senator Kandie D. Smith, North Carolina Senate, District 5
Keith Stone, Sheriff, Nash County
Joy Strickland, Senior Deputy Attorney General, Criminal Bureau of the North Carolina Department of Justice
Deonte’ L. Thomas, Chief, Wake County Public Defender Office
Missy P. Welch, Director of Programming (Permits/Audit/Product Sections), Alcoholic Beverage Control Commission
For history, here are results of local votes on marijuana taxes in California at the time of legalization in 2016– from http://www.drugsense.org/dpfca/votersguide1116.html#LOCALS. Voters liked marijuana taxes better than they liked marijuana legalization. At the end is more detail about counties’ results.
In summary, here’s the percentage of votes for local taxes vs. votes for statewide Proposition 64. These are all the counties where a direct comparison is available.
Calaveras County 67 for local taxation vs 47 for Prop 64
Adelanto – Measure R would impose an excise tax of up to 5% on all types of commercial marijuana activities. PASSED 67-33%
Avalon – Measure X would permit up to two medical marijuana dispensaries, and permit the delivery, cultivation, manufacture and processing of medical marijuana products, subject to a $10,000 annual license tax and a 12% transaction fee/tax on each individual medical marijuana sale. FAILED 36-64%.
Butte County – Measure L would permit commercial cannabis cultivation, distribution, manufacturing and transporatation in most zones, while prohibiting outdoor cultivation in residential zones and establishing an exemption for personal cultivation of up to 100 square feet, and collective cultivation of up to 500 square feet. Read more.FAILED 42.5-57.5%.
Calaveras County – Measure C would impose a $2/square foot commercial cannabis tax on outdoor/mixed light cultivation until the state establishes a track and trace program, at which point the tax will be $45/pound of dry weight trim and $10 per pound of dry weight trim; and $5/sq ft. on indoor culivation until a track-and-trace program is implemented, at which time the tax will be $70/lb. of bud and $15/lb. of trim; and a 7% on gross proceeds from manufacturing or retail medicinal or legal cannabis. Would require legal water source and compliance with regulations issued by the Water Quality Control Board, Fish and Wildlife, etc. PASSED 67-33%.
What if the best way to tax cannabis is by potency, by applying a tax rate to measured quantities of intoxicants, like of THC? Two hard questions loom. Should the same per-milligram tax rate apply to intoxicants in various forms of cannabis products like raw plant material (like flower) and concentrates and edibles? And what tax rates should apply to cannabinoids other than delta-9 THC, like delta-8 and delta-10?
For the second question (Let’s say the best way to tax cannabis is by potency, by applying a tax rate to measured quantities of intoxicants, like of THC? What tax rates should apply to compounds other than delta-9 THC, like delta-8 and delta-10 and HHC, based on relative intoxicating power?) here’s a quick answer (that I in no way vouch for, because no one knows) from perplexity.ai, based apparently on https://therichardrosereport.com/cannasearch-daily-news/:
To design an effective cannabis potency tax framework that accounts for different intoxicating compounds like delta-8, delta-9, delta-10 THC, and HHC, tax rates should reflect their relative psychoactive strength and metabolic impacts. Here’s a science-based approach informed by current research and existing tax models:
Relative Intoxicating Power & Tax Multipliers
Compound
Potency Relative to Delta-9
Proposed Tax Multiplier*
Delta-9 THC
1x (Baseline)
1.0
HHC
0.7x-0.8x
0.75
Delta-8 THC
0.5x-0.6x
0.55
Delta-10 THC
0.3x-0.4x
0.35
*Multipliers adjust tax rates based on compound strength compared to delta-9
In 2009, I was a 62-year old lawyer looking for a pro bono project. My career in law at its high point was designing tax laws for Congress — writing laws to bring in revenue — as a staffer for the Joint Committee on Taxation and then the U.S. Senate Finance Committee.
I started with marijuana taxation back then for several reasons.
1 . I didn’t think people should get arrested for possession. Taxation is the main reason and sometimes the only reason that some voters and representatives want to move beyond prohibition.
2. I’m a tax and spend Democrat. That last reason makes industry people and even activists nervous, but OK.
3. It was fun to think about. The field was wide open. No tax professionals were studying it — industry didn’t really exist to study it, and tax academics turn up their noses at marijuana taxation because they think both excise taxes and subnational taxes are not important. The top people in drug policy were interested, but they had only a nodding acquaintance with tax policy.
4. I figured that possession would get legal, and that commerce was sure to follow, and so was taxation. Marijuana tax policy would get interesting.
It has lots of discussion about the tax base but very little about the tax burden, except for this kind of thing: “Tax rates on marijuana need to be low at first to gain advantage in the inevitable price war against bootleggers. As taxing authorities win that war, they can raise rates and generate more revenue.”
Oh, and in 2009, Obama had said, “Yes we can,” and I figured marijuana taxation could be my little part.
My friend and member of the Board of Advisors of the Center for New Revenue Joe Murphy has gone the way of all flesh. I am grateful for his help. May he rest in peace.
Joseph Richard Murphy Obituary
If you knew Joe Murphy, you have stories to share, most of which are hilarious. His former students reminisce about his truly original sense of humor and irreverence, but also about his brilliance, preparation, and rigorous attention to detail. His colleagues describe an immensely creative, yet “get ‘er done” collaborative work environment, one which was summed up by one of his favorite phrases: “You can’t be afraid to put a wheel in the ditch!” His daughters speak of his generosity and support, but also describe someone who was “always down for a bit of ridiculousness and who relished the theater of the absurd.” When he left us on December 27 at age 77 after a period of declining health, we lost a true original.
At my age, now that A.I. is taking over proofreading, I feel like a good thing I can do is to set the record straight. For instance, the Tax Foundation’s tax piece of its cannabis posting, https://taxfoundation.org/blog/states-act-2-0-federal-cannabis-reform/, has incorrect information, as of August 12. (I wrote an author August 8 and haven’t heard back.)
Hemp THC is wide open in North Carolina. The public and the Legislature hardly notice; the professional prohibitionists know about it but aren’t raising a finger.
The clip is under three minutes. I come in shortly after the one minute mark.
Hemp drugs: Hearing June 12, 2024, 2 EDT in North Carolina Senate Judiciary Committee
Mr. Chairman, Thank you.
My name is Pat Oglesby. I’m a lawyer with the Center for New Revenue in Chapel Hill. I was a staffer for the nonpartisan Joint Congressional Committee on Taxation, and I’ve been a paid advisor to several states on cannabis tax policy.
As you’re discovering, hemp-derived cannabinoids create both costs and externalities. That’s why North Carolina should tax these substances – ideally by THC content – as part of a comprehensive cannabis strategy.
Louisiana, Minnesota, Tennessee, and West Virginia are four states that already collect extra excise taxes on these substances. Those taxes range from 3 percent to 11 percent of retail price.
But that’s just one approach. An alternative and more effective tax is one being used in Connecticut, Illinois, and all Canadian provinces. They tax legalized cannabis products by the volume of THC they contain. This THC tax aims straight at the target you want to hit.
Whichever taxes you choose — taxes based on price or taxes based on THC levels — there’s a risk of overdoing it. If you tax too heavily, illicit sellers will bypass the tax and you won’t get the revenue you hope for. I don’t work for industry, but I do know that other states have learned this lesson the hard way: Overtaxing backfires.
The journey you’re on won’t be easy. But please know that I will do what I can to help. You can find me at http://www.newrevenue.org.
We can expect that when the Legislature bans substances like Tianeptine or “gas station heroin,” then copycat drugs will pop up, maybe with a molecule in a complex organic compound changed here or there.
To go beyond listing dangerous drugs that are out there already, Texas and other states have enacted catch-all language that would list or cover “whack-a-mole” new drugs that people would discover or invent.
But as soon as the Legislature bans substances, copycat drugs pop up, maybe with a molecule in a complex organic compound changed here or there.
To go beyond listing dangerous drugs that are out there already, I’m trying to find catch-all language that would list or cover “whack-a-mole” new drugs that people would discover or invent.